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. do not vote for any incumbent, period. host: we are two years out from the next election. you say if this thing does not work, star of the campaign not to vote of the incumbents? caller: start it now. start the campaign now. they want to start campaigning earlier and earlier, we as the american people need to send a message now that if you cannot do it, if you cannot do your job, then we do not want you there. host: john in south carolina on the line for democrats. caller: the morning. listen very carefully. some of these people, they are all about money. ever since they are in office, some more against him. if i was the president and they do not do their job, i would come to the american people and say, listen, let's spend enough money to pay ourselves out of debt and start from scratch. all of those jobs will come back from china because the dollar will not be worth. that is what is it is a bout. host: on the front page of "the financial times." we also have a tweet. this is what the senate minority leader said yesterday on the floor after his meeting at the white house. [video
for us. but it all started about two days before election day. i had this realization that this was a possibility. this could actually happen. i went to the door of rabin's office and said, what if all of these major offices were held by women? this would be historic. we should do any event if it happens. so, as my friends now, my family, i am a self-proclaimed news and political junkie. on election night and had the tv, my laptop, and my i found, i was watching as the results came in. and it was happening. it happened. so yes, there were phone calls, there were e-mails, logistics', food selection, printing, tables, chairs, all the logistics. how this event king together is a question -- what if? what if we could get them. and i am so happy that we have. i am sure all of them will agree that type of vision is what put all of these five women where they are today. that question -- what if? today's event is bigger. it is bigger than political parties, bigger than politics. bigger than the chamber of commerce. today it is history in the making. it is not just a raised gla
their elections back in november. you of course did not. so it is possible that between november and now, like a normal human being, you were not paying all that much attention 20 what washington has been up to. it's the end of the year. things have slowed down. we're waiting for a new congress to come in. usually you would have time to get your bearings to figure out where the bathrooms are. that is not going to be the case this year. not with the fiscal cliff. luckily for you, we here at "the rachel maddow show," we have been paying attention. we have had absolutely no other choice, unfortunately. and we are here to help you and everyone else trying to figure out how we got to this point we are in. right after that election, the day after the election, in fact, your new colleagues got to work immediately on the cliff. the day after the collection, republican house speaker john boehner put out this stirring call to action. >> mr. president, this is your moment. we're ready to be led. not as democrats or republicans but as americans. we want you to lead. not as a liberal or conservative but as
to overcome it in this election. i worry about the future. not every candidate will have the particular advantages barack obama that had in his ability to raise money. >> another question from this side? >> there seems to be a growing consensus or perception that, unlike past democratic president, president obama has not left a ideological format of what it means to be a democrat. there is -- there has been a fear that with the party going so big and republicans moving to the right, there could be a battle for the soul of the party in the next four or eight years. do you see a post-obama age -- a civil war-like occasion happening? >> we just pushed the post-obama age off by four years. [laughter] >> i know. even in the next four years? >> what this president stands for -- i talked earlier about the fight we had. i was reading a book some of you may have read that was excellent about clarence darrow. he talked about some of the fights in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. during the gilded age and the progressive era. so much of the dialogue -- there were differences, but the fundam
shortly after the november presidential election. this is an hour and half. >> one of the best things about sitting across from you is that, for all of us who have been part of the institute's staff, we are wondering what you been thinking, with this experience has been like for you over the last year-and-a-half, two years. so tonight, we get to hear for the first time your reaction to the campaign. >> thank you very much. i want to thank the in boyer for the support the university has given the institute politics, including making it possible for us to hire such extraordinary people like steve edwards and been restored and all of the other people -- and ben reeseberg and all the other people. [applause] you have been wondering what i have been doing and i have been wondering what you have been doing. [laughter] >> those who were disappointed by this outcome, the democrats elated by this outcome -- given the conventional wisdom around this campaign, the president's approval ratings that were barely above 50%, often dipping below it, the unemployment around 8%, gdp growth stock of arou
united system with a federal election commission that's completely out of control and with other agencies unable to do anything about it. a lot of money coming in in ways that intimidate political actors until the policy process in a very bad way and the way that will only enhance the quality. one example from north carolina riva group ventures who want to influence the state legislature on a bill prepared a bunch of model commercials that destroyed members of the legislature. when a gc comment had nothing to do a type of culture. it basically defined in this child molesting aliens out to destroy the fabric of america and show them the commercials and said if we don't get what we want millions of dollars could be spent on commercials just like this. they got what they wanted to give him money. the idea this is not correct team from anthony kennedy was on a different planet in a different universe than the real world of what we face. so there's all of that to do with the marketing model legislation written basically by a signature is biggest plugged right in. it's the gilded age brought up
was thinking slower-elect, you know what i'm saying? >> remember this humble moment. [laughter] say that one more time. >> what does it mean to you personally [inaudible] -- >> i think what it means to me personally is that 18 years ago the city of charleston county county-wide gave me an opportunity to represent him based on values and issues. a couple of years later the folks from the house gave me an opportunity to represent their issues and their values. two years ago the first district gave me an opportunity to represent their issues and values. what i've not ever heard on the campaign trail was besides the fact that you're black or because you're black, here's what we want to do. they've asked me questions about values and issues, and that's an amazing thing. i think it speaks to the evolution of south carolina and of our nation. it speaks to the heart of the good people in our nation and specifically of our state. i would say this -- more importantly than the complexion that i have, i think back to growing up in a single-parent household. i'd love to speak to the single moms out there
circumstances. >> this is outside of the book but i will do it anyway because i've been doing general election for the times. talking to jim messina the campaign manager of the obama campaign and david axelrod and rahm emanuel and stephanie cutter and asking them you know, how would the next years under obama, given that the house composition -- >> is almost certainly going to be similar. >> how will things be different and uniformly their answer, in other words the talking point, was that the fever will break, that the american people if they vote for president obama for another four years will basically be voting against obstructionist and the republicans will get the message and they will walk in a sultry fashion toward the center of. >> i can see that happening at all. >> no, no and if that is her talking point and they are siding with the. >> are you optimistic to say that governor romney would have one that there is and you waiting for him after he gets into office? >> no, no i'm not and i wrote a story for "the new york times magazine" on governor romney and specifically on his kind of
elected, he would have strained things much better than they are now. that is part of the problem. host: what -- caller: character, honesty. host: mitt romney is your choice. caller: that is about it. host: patrick is next. caller: my political hero is president obama. host: why so? caller: he has gone through a lot. he has kept his cool during the course of the year. i look forward to him doing better. host: one thing that stands out as far as his accomplishments. caller: bringing the end to osama bin laden. i think he has done very well. he has been patient and the adult for working with the republicans that tried to make everything for the country. host: president obama amongst others being listed this morning from the phones and facebook and twitter. after thestory passing of senator daniel in a the washington times." host: the code of hawaii -- the governor of hawaii possibly been the replacement for daniel inouye, reported by cbs news. picking up on the remaining time and before the next senate, comes in. president obama spoke on friday and talked about the senator's service and h
we live in a center-right country. if you look at the last two presidential elections that doesn't seem to be the case. are we living now in a new, progressive era? >> in terms of the presidency, i think we are, paul. i'm not sure about the country. barack obama i think is the center left or left wing president since the great depression and i think that what barack obama has in mind to do is indeed to redistribute income from the top downward, not to cut spending, but to increase spending, it's explicit from a 20% of gdp to 25% gdp and rather than cut spending raise taxes as necessary to support that spending and i would say that is in fact essentially the french model. and the question is whether it can support enough growth in the economy. >> paul: taxes are going up, we know that, spending, going up for sure even before the health care law kicks in. so, we are moving in that direction, particularly in the entitlement state. not reforming it, but actually expanding it. >> aen what happened this year was the supreme court helping this along, you have the justices essentially re
any doubt in my mind. there are looking at the election of 2014 and 2006 to more than the people. thank you for your time. pfft host: good morning to you, elmer. what is your level of optimism heading into 2013? caller: i am kind of scared. the statement i went to bed, why do we not get in contact with george bush. i think he should be in here on the deal because it was him and that got us in this position we are in. he cannot even tolerate position said they have going on with our congress. if the people out here for us to be taking care of, if they have enough money to take over to another country the way they demonstrate, that is what we are in this position that we are in. i think we should get in contact with george bush and see if he can get us out of this. host: here is a piece in "the washington post." if there is a photo of the first couple greeting military personnel. this is the president remained largely out of sight golfing and spending time with his family. he left washington late on friday. a little progress has been made on the cliff talks, but at least the talkin
is to monitor them. and to make suggestions. in the most recent election with the activity taking place the civil-rights commission should have been at the center of the debate based on history, and experience in voting right suppression. it is nowhere to be seen. so what needs to happen it needs to be converted by the congress are they will get rid of it. >> what is the current makeup? >> it is bipartisan. eight members. four and four. no more than four of the same political party. but the they want to appoint somebody they have them change their party and then they appoint to them anyway. the way this structure is now because of ronald reagan, it is hard to get a majority to do anything constructive. they are not supposed to be people who are objective for mine tastes were those two are widely respected there will be aggressive or catering to their party. >>host: who is the chair? >> i have no idea. i've no idea what it is doing i assume nothing. it has been, since i left i have no idea. >>host: why did you leave in 2007? >>guest: my term would be up in january, said 2004. when bush w
election, there were people around the president of the united states with assault rifles. we put people in schools with the guns, what happens if there in the restroom and somebody breaks and from the front? how are they going to protect the children? how many children do we have to lose? host: thanks for the call -- let me share with you this photograph from "the new york daily news." a handful of students tried to flee and lanza shot teem. some of the other fallen students are in the photograph. because of the teacher process protection, most of her students survived a car. -- survived a the horror. asheville, north carolina, republican line. caller: i would like to say one thing and i think there is a connection that people are overlooking -- i think people especially recently and as far back as timothy mcveigh and the people who crashed into the tent -- twin towers, they are terrorists. terrorist attacks society by creating fear, mayhem, and everything else. is the united states overlooking this? are we creating terrorists? beene young people have t attacking people with assault rif
irregularities in the presidential election. on the radio show she said voter suppression was in full force in many states all over this country.s ar the first lady cited no specifics and prompted judicial watch to iss the fina following statement. mrs. obama's exhibitions of minority vote suppression or racially divisi and show a dangerous disregard for the troops. we are aware of no evidence of actual voter suppression.r if she has some issues to disclose. by the way, we have not heard from the justice department on this issue at all. given his history that we certainly would have if there waslth any incident of voter suppression. our next guest defense the tough voter id law say it is a paramount important that we protect the integrity of the process and make sure voter irregularities and voter fraud is eliminating. joining us now, attorney general of south carolina, great to have you with us.at first, your reaction to what the first lady had to sy. >> i obviously disagree with the first lady.with in every state i looked at, georgia, indiana are two states, section five, one is not a sec
of the 20,000 election about the commission has never been the same. so reagan in a sense succeeded in making it a body that couldn't listen and was not independent and kept trying commissioners to endorse whatever the administration said. i said if you're going to do the committee of cabinet officers and people putting political appointees whose job is to do that. your job is to monitor them until the public what they are doing and make suggestions for how things should be improved. right now in the most recent election, voter suppression activities at a place in the whole debate about it, the civil rights commission should at the center of that debate based on its history, experience with voting and voting rights suppression and making recommendations. it is nowhere to be seen. so what it was done has subverted the mission is supposed to have and what needs to happen if you need to be converted by the congress into another body or some thing are they had to get rid of it. that's my opinion. host or with the current makeup of the u.s. commission? >> guest: the commission has eight
've had the opportunity working with their folks in their states and all around the country, to elect some new people to the senate that are bringing the right ideas and some new voices to those principles that we know have made our country successful. and so i feel like as i leave the senate that we are leaving it better than we found it and that our focus now, despite the difficult challenges, is really on america and how we turn america around. i should spend a lot of time and most of my time on thanking my staff. i have to say that my greatest inspirations have come from the staff that i've had the opportunity to serve with in the house and the senate. as all of you know who are serving here in the senate, this country is being run by people in their 20's and 30's who get us so busy that they're having to follow us to meetings to tell us where we're going and what we'll be talking about. but it's incredible to see that these young people, particularly those that i've served with, have such a passion for our country and freedom, and they're willing to put it all on the baseline to make
will begin to define his second term. he was elected to lead. we can still avoid going over the fiscal cliff if the president and the democrat- controlled senate step forward this week to solve this problem. >> we also talked to washington post reporter lori montgomery for an update on the fiscal cliff negotiations. >> what kind of a deal did the president offer, and what is new in the negotiations among the senators and between the senators and the white house? >> it does not appear to be anything new. the policies they're talking about are the same policies that have been on the table for weeks and weeks. what is new is that they seem to have finally agreed they're going to move forward with something. there is no guarantee that the republican leader and the democratic leader will be able to put together an agreement. at least they are now saying they will try to do it. they're working together and aiming towards a vote either late sunday or monday. >> what is the scuttlebutt among the rank-and-file senators about whether or not they're going to be able to pull this off before the end of t
contracts. state republicans approved it this month after voters repealed a similar initiative on election day. despite reimposing a measure that was rejected by popular vote, governor snyder said -- was among a number of controversial bills recently advanced by state republicans in michigan before their majority declines with a new legislative session next month. the chicago teachers union has filed a lawsuit accusing a city of discriminating against african-american teachers and staff through its effort to reform or shut down local schools. the federal suit says more than half of the tenured teachers who lost their jobs in the most recent wave of school closings were african-american, despite african-americans comprising just 30% of tenured teachers overall and 35% in the underperforming schools that wound up -- wind up being closed. the teachers' union is seeking an injunction to stop chicago mayor rahm emanuel from closing any more schools. the nra has confirmed plans to continue its campaign against a proposed u.n. treaty that would regulate the global arms trade. the general assembly
who might be skittish on that. it's also a fair number of moderate democrats who are up for re-election in the next cycle, 2014, who are from red states, who simply will not even talk to reporters about the idea, much less endorse the idea of supporting any kind of new gun control measures yet. >> even now. you would -- well, i'm being naive, i know. if you have strong feelings about it, after what newtown happened, don't constituents want to know what their legislators think? why not just embrace what you think even if you say, well, i don't think gun control laws should be put into place in america. >> if i told you it was tough politics, would you be shocked? that that's the reason why. but in all fairness, i think that the political realities and the fact it is politically tough, despite what happened in newtown for a lot of politicians to do anything to anger the gun rights enthusiasts. and we're talking about, as you reported, a 4 million member organization, it's tough for them to do that. i think also, everybody is just trying to kind of work through what could be possible legis
elections matter, but really they do matter, because they redrew the districts in such a way that make them relatively safe. so even if they make the bad deal, they may open the case that says you are re-elected in 2014. >> that is why you see bay snor who thought he had a great plan, the plan b that would provide his caucus with political coverage to go back to say that we are willing to increase the tax rates, and democrats didn't want to do it, and now we will start over and his own caucus could not get behind that, so even when they have their leader trying to put something before them that will provide political cover for them all, they can't get those numbers to vote for it. so i don't know, even if they kick it up to the senate, if the senate kicks it back down to them, that he is going to be able to get the support he needs in his caucus to pass it through the house. >> speaking of kicking it around, and that is what the president said yesterday. he asked that reid go to the up or down vote to see what it is, and what is the politics around that? >> well, john boehner, and it is imp
through the disagreements. the notion that our elected leadership can't do the same thing is mind boggling to them. and needs to stop. >> i just have to repeat, congress, you are terrible at your jobs. i really don't like working with you. we're going to talk a bit later in the show about everybody hates congress and what we can do about that. but as much as the public hates congress, you really get the feeling that congress' approval rating among president obama is in the neighborhood of negative 75,000 percent. and yes, numbers geeks, not a real number. but he seems really tired of working with these people. but there is a way in which congress, and particularly congressional republicans may actually be helping president obama out right now. everybody's always known two things about the cliff. you're almost certainly going to get more taxes in a deal after you go over than in a deal before you go over it. that's because after you go over the cliff, taxes already go up for everybody. so anything you do, any reasonable deal congress reaches, it will be a big tax cut. but the other thing ab
business in this country and a billion dollars a year on these elections and these are failed, failed policies and that's why the states are losing jobs. you know, instead, redirect those toward more productive uses within the labor force, training workers, keeping them in the work force and keeping them in the state and we don't need another recall like in wisconsin a complete waist of money and union dollars and that's why this is happening. >> toby last word here? >> we're going to see it's a big battle. but this is a battle that if they win, they lose for the state of michigan. >> brenda: okay. that's the last word. thank you all and thanks for joining us. so, you think coal is the worst christmas present ever? not here on bulls and bears, why that's all you should want from santa this clear. >> predictions? and toby, you're up. >> the snow is coming and time to get toro out there, toro, toro, toro make snow blowers. >> brenda: larry bull or bear? >> i'm a bear. i only like it on the pullback, great company, too expensive. >> brenda: gary b, your prediction. >> speakining of pull
on thursday morning, so we're not doing it all-in-one day and get more elected officials to our events that week. and then also i would like to talk about small business saturday. he was out and about and shopping on small business saturday purposely and i would like to thank regina. we had involvement from sf travel and the chamber of commerce, and a lot of people come to san francisco to shop and this is where san francisco travel did really well with hotel rooms and brochures and from the merchants that i talked to, that went over very well and with the years to come we'll be partnered with the chamber of commerce and sf travel. that is it. >> commissioners, item 11, vice president's report? >> no report this month. >> commissioners item 12, commissioner reports >> any commissioner reports? >> i have one. i was invited by the chinese radio station am1400 to talk sbac bac and office of small business and thank you to the director for providing me the information that i needed over the weekend, because the show was on monday. so a quick study and i think it will air tomorrow.
in the coverup. what the motive was. we know what the motive was, it was the election and obama had been saying he was done with al-qaeda and possibly this was al-qaeda. the i've made different studies of coverups, pentagon, watergate, iran-contra. >> clayton: i've had the pleasure of meeting him over the years and usually a fair-minded person so for him to come out and say this in person, he may have some evidence to show it's credible and may keep pushing forward. a lot of people are not happy the way that benghazi unto folded, that we were caught flat-footed and even though there were military members. >> and specifically what he's referring to, having read the transcript, on thursday there was a senate foreign relations committee asking exactly the same questions they asked on the first day of the benghazi tragedy and that is the cia memo left the cia with the specific references to al-qaeda in it. by the time the memo was presented to susan rice and came out of her mouth on the sunday morning talk shows, those records as to al-qaeda had been spiked, who did that? even after the report, the
into the ring in kerry becomes secretary of state, which is expected, a special election will be held early this summer. markey is the first prominent candidate to declare for the race. >>> love this story. paying it forward by paying it backward. a story of rampant generosity and good will in canada happening in winnipeg. one customer pulled up to a coffee shop drive through in winnipeg and paid for the person behind them. the next person did the same and on and on and on. 228 customers in all. >> you hear the shout from drive through. my manager, todd, there. hear him screaming out random numbers, 147. pumped up. filled the building with excitement. >> now it's such a habit started here and people come back to this one, knowing it's either going to be your day, you will start it, and it will come back, a huge cycle. >> no one knows who started the chain or who ended it. do you want to be the person that ends that chain? >> i will tell you, all i do every time i go back to canada is go to tim horton's, a national institute. just great. >> look who we have here. do you have a note from the
on these elections and these are failed, failed policies and that's why the states are losing jobs. you know, instead, redirect those toward more productive uses within the labor force, training workers, keeping them in the work force and keeping them in the state and we don't need another recall like in wisconsin a complete waist of money and union dollars and that's why this is happening. >> toby last word here? >> we're going to see it's a big battle. but this is a battle that iff they win, they lose for the ate of michigan. >> brenda: okay. that's the last word. thank you all and thanks for joining us. so, you think coal is the worst christmas present ever? not here on bulls and bears, why that's all you should want from santa this clear. copd makes it hard to breathe, but with advair, i'm breathing better. so now i can be in the scene. advair is clinically proven to help significantly improve lung function. unlike most copd medications, advair contains both an anti-inflammatory and a long-acting bronchodilator working together to help improve your lung function all day. advair won't replace fast
, ergonomically superior and have a high capacity. >> $17 million on federal election funding this year, nra finally broke its silence friday saying gun laws don't work and we should arm schools. >> the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. >> we're talking here about the business of guns, right? of course, arming schools would mean even more gun sales. there are more than 130,000 public and private schools in this country. we invited a number of gun manufacturers and gun retailers as well as some publications and trade magazine editors to appear on the show, all of whom -- all of whom declined or did not respond. >>> some teachers in this country were shocked to discover they invested in the very weapon used to perpetrate the school shooting. teachers. do you know what's in your portfolio? [ woman ] dear cat, your hair mixes with pollen and dust. i get congested. but now, with zyrtec-d®, i have the proven allergy relief of zyrtec®, plus a powerful decongestant. zyrtec-d® lets me breath freer, so i can love the air. [ male announcer ] zyrtec-d®. behind the
be resolved by the election we had a couple of months ago, it's just not working, is it. >> no, it's not. we thought it would be a slow news cycle and certainly that's not happening. stuart: no, no, no, it's not happening. of course in the news business, that's kind of good news, isn't it? carol roth, we appreciate you being with us. thanks indeed, carol. toyota, here is the news, it's going to pay a fine of 1.1 billion dollars. it will settle those lawsuits, remember the scandal? that unintended ak sole ration n some cars that took off on their own. the-- that's actually up. it's a lot of money to pay for a fine, but investors knew it was coming and factored into the stock and maybe some relief it's only, quote, unquote, 1.1 billion. the next question, of 1.1 billion how much did the lawyers get? we'll have a lawyer for you in a few minutes. trial lawyer, mark lanier is here to defend the lawyers fees. hundreds of millions, how about that. and we're about to tumble over the fiscal cliff, and millions of americans face higher taxes if congress does not reach a deal. how much more would you h
was somehow rooted in the press buyas or elected officials who have gun-free school zones. you know, judy, the reality is, and it's a terrible reality, since robert kennedy died in the ambassador hotel on june 4th, 1968, more americans have died from gunfire than died in all the war, all the wars of this country's history, from the revolutionary to the civil war, world war i, world war ii, and those 43 years. we have half the guns 245 are in the world are in the united states. i mean guns are a problem. and i think they still have to be confronted. >> woodruff: something like 280 million guns. >> we're to the going to get rid of all those guns. that's to the going to happen. >> daniel patrick moynihan and tax ammunition. >> i think there are a series of reasonable things we could do, even going back to the 1990s when it comes to ammunition, magazine size, and the sought-- certain types of semiautomatic weapons. you should be able to make that case. we swung so far in this debate in the libertarian direction, that those are fairly minimal burdens on anyone's rights when it comes to this. i
the harris county district attorney was backyard to a corner. the district attorney is elected and the county itself is conservative, has a traditional social views, views on social issues, and once this matter got to the newspaper that these two men had been arrested, they were going to challenge the constitutionality of the texas law, it became very politically difficult for the harris county district attorney's office to back off as a prosecution. they were quoted in the paper as saying, that sort of e qvc kuwaiting on the case saying it might be a bad law. we don't have any choice about what laws to enforce. the best way to get a bad law off the books is to enforce it. that's exactly what they ended up doing. it does turn out, by the way, that one of the early prosecutors in one of the lower courts in texas was herself closeted lesbian at the time. she didn't -- she could have entered a dismissed the prosecution or asked the judge to dismiss it and she did not do so. she said she was required to allow the case to proceed she didn't have any discretion in the matter. >> host: in the end th
. it's especially welcome after last month's election when voters rejected a parcel tax to help support the zoo. >> the owner of the a's is asking to stay in the city for another five-years. he sent a letter to the stadium authority asking to extend the team's lease which expires after next season. it acknowledges that the team is still looking for a new venue but hasn't found anything that they deem realistic. they have been waiting nearly four years to have baseball approve a move to san jose but the giants claim territorial rights. the mayor has pledged to work with the a's to get a fair lease extension. >> winter storms caution power outages and messy roads in the midwest. want to tell you about the work underway. >> and packer fans pitch in by digging in. the effort to get the field ready for tomorrow's game. >> the second in our series of storms is marching through the bay area. what you can expect for saturday coming up. . >>> you can hear that wind blowing, parts of ohio wake up in the dark after winds knocked out power. utility crews working to get the lights back on but so
into a political corner in this case. the district attorney is elected, elected partisan person and the county itself is quite conservative, has very traditional social views, views on social issues and once this matter got into the newspaper that these two men had been arrested and were going to challenge the constitutionality of the texas law it became very politically difficult for harris county district attorney's office to back off from prosecution. they were quoted in the paper as saying -- equivocating on the case by saying this might be a bad lot we don't have any choice about what laws to enforce and the best way to get a bad lot of all the books is to enforce it. so that is exactly what they ended up doing. it does turn out the one of the early prosecutors in one of the lower courts in texas was herself a lesbian at the time. she could have entered -- business the prosecution or asked the judge to dismiss it and she did not do so. she said she was required to allow the case to proceed and she didn't have any discretion in the matter. >> host: why don't we take a quick break. >> so th
it done after being re-elected he will be hurt by this. >> if we have a recession, he is not going to be able to stand there and say they difficulty. >> the taxes would go up on everyone because it doesn't do anything about payroll taxes or the alternative minimum tax. >> or the taxes from obamacare. >> former senator i saw today said, you enjoy this is a huge opportunity for the president. rather than coming back with a narrow plan like you described, if he came out now with a big plan that did entitlements and defense, did spending, and said, simpson-bowles revised here, let's go forward, there would be a deal but it will never happen. >>gregg: will republicans regret they did not vote for plan "b"? >> they may feel like this did in august, they should have taken the deal but, look, the real problem the republicans should regret is never having a public strategy, and get the taxes off early on, and done that and made their case about the debt and been in this national debate because they have paid the price. >> they never talked economic growth. >> guys, hang on. when we come bac
, this is an unbelievable situation because it's been, what, five or six weeks since the election. abc it's amazing that they are still as far apart today from getting a deal as they were when we first started talking about this. if we do go over the cliff. by the way i agree with peter. i still there is a slim chance at getting something done next week before new year's eve. but if we don't get that deal, we're talking about a very major tax increase. not just on people like warren buffet and bill gates but middle class folks. by my calculations if you look at all the taxes that are going up. if we go over the cliff you are talking about if you are a middle class family earning between 45 and $75,000 your tax bill will go up $2,500 a year. >> we have some of these statistics by category here on the screen. this is modern. from zero dollars to $20,000. you are still going to get hit. 400 bucks, stephan. that's no small amount. >> no. just to intervene that's because the payroll tax. payroll tax reduction that also is scheduled to go up next year as well. even lower income people will get hit. no qu
some leverage because he won the election but i thought both sides had and they were very close to a deal, gregg. that is the crazy thing here. they were very close. we had implosions in terms of the boehner leadership unable to hold his troops together. gregg: right. >> these guys are close. i think at this point, part of the negotiating dynamic is if we get close to the i have cliff you can get the troops to line up behind you and say, don't do it. that is terrible for the american people. that is bad way to run the government. gregg: mary katherine, no way to run a government but we've been saying that for 200 years. and i have too. but, mary katherine, look, what does it say about boehner's leadership, when he can't even get a vote on his own plan? >> no, i think that was a good opportunity for republicans to pass something. i think many of them made a mistake in foiling that plan because i think it was a decent one that had good points even though they obviously didn't get everything they wanted. i still think this could go either way. you guys point out this is no way to r
will begin to define the president's second term. he was elected to lead. >> we also got an update from oulaurie mcginley this morning. >> what kind of a deal did the president offered? what is new on the negotiations among and between the centers in the white house backs -- senators in the white house what is new is the the have seemed to finally agreed they're going to move forward with something. there is no purity that the republican leaders and democratic leader will in fact be able to put together an agreement. the release now saying they are trying to work together and aiming towards a vote. either sunday or monday. i do not believe anyone has been briefed. the residents lack of information among the people were actually good to have to vote -- there is an absolute lack of information among the people who are actually going to have to vote. senators are here, but not in session today. the leaders wanted a day of peace to pull this together. people are going to start to get briefed tomorrow afternoon. >> both majority leader harry reid and minority leader mcconnell expressed optim
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